we need a strong economy to have a strong national defense. but the last thing we ought to be doing is having these devastating cuts to our military readiness, and that's why what has to happen is responsible leadership, stop these devastating cuts, come together, come up with a cut that sets the pride -- the right priorities and make sure the men and women who are protecting our freedom and our elections here of the best armament, best equipment in making sure that we also have a good paying jobs in technology and defense here in virginia, and not use them as a pawn to raise taxes on job creating businesses. kaine: let me go right to the last point. no one is talking about using military our veterans as pawns. i mean, i haven't heard that statement by anyone except george, kind of thrown that charge at me. and that's the kind of charge that you ought to be a little careful about. i take second to no one in appreciate the service of our folks in active service, and in military, i was governor in the middle of two wars. our virginia guard peopl